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  Do JWs use the Baptizmal formula?

  by Hortenzie in

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  do the elders say: "in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit" when they are immersing the one being baptized?.

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  JW baptism is creepy. I'm sorry.

  When we were bible students, our teacher encouraged us to come and see the baptism, and he was especially excited to be the one delivering the baptismal "speech." It was long and boring. I found it eerie, hearing all the people agree in a monotone "chant-like" way, about how they were joining the organization.

  Months later, I went and watched my sister and brother in law go through this, and I must say that the assembly days were just boring and time-consuming. We went to please our teachers and "friends." We just did not "get" the excitement.

  I also saw the blah-zay (sp?) way they reacted, when one new "sister" decided to get baptized. "Oh, she finally decided to go through with it, huh?" Weird response to something that receives so much emphasis. I'm not aware of this woman's history, just that she was always at the meetings when we went.

  Just an "outsider's" perspective... it never really "caught on" for us. I guess we are too analytical in our thinking.
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  Do JWs use the Baptizmal formula?

  by Hortenzie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do the elders say: "in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit" when they are immersing the one being baptized?.

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  ablebodiedman: Don't get so technical! ;) Are you qualified to make these analyses? Are you part of the "number of brothers?"

  Rule #1 in JW-land: Don't think. Don't criticize. Just obey.
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  Do JWs use the Baptizmal formula?

  by Hortenzie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do the elders say: "in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit" when they are immersing the one being baptized?.

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  Faithful Witness

  Label_licker said: " that the most important thing here is that I get all my answers through their publications."

  Wow! They actually said that directly? What about what the Bible says?
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  Resurrection Of The Earthly Class

  by sojourner7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone tell me what the wt teaches about the resurrection of the earthly class?

  do they get completely different bodies or is it a resurrection of the present body?

  also, since most of scripture is written for the annointed class, and the annointed class are supposed to go to heaven in spirit bodies, how do they handle romans 8:11?.

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  Searcher: ... No doubt their new bodies will be...

  No doubt? Evidently.
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  So George Takei posted a JW pic on his Facebook

  by ilikecheese in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei.

  it's just a silly door-knocking related picture, but it's generated a bit of arguing about how he shouldn't make fun of them.

  plus there are some apologist/"apostate" facebook wars... the best kind of wars, right?!

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  Faithful Witness

  I could not find it. I did see a post on his timeline, where he says he is married to a white DUDE.
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  New light -----> beliefs clarified

  by fastJehu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt library cd contains a list of "beliefs clarified" from the year 1872 until today.. you can reach this list as follows:.

  - search for beliefs clarified.

  - double click on publications index.

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  Faithful Witness

  I love butter! And bacon.
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  I went to church today.

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and it was good!!

  everyone dressed differently, some casually, some smart-a real mix.i would say there were 70 or so in attendance, all ages.nice atmosphere.ladies behind introduced themselves.young couple in front also.nice songs.toys for the kids.refreshments after.had a little chat with the lady vicar, she asked if i would come again.i felt welcome but not overwhelmed.jesus focused more predominantly than at the kh.i really enjoyed it..

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  I love it when the kids get up and sing. At our previous church, my daughter (age 6) was in the "Kidz Choir." We recorded one of their performances, and my JW dad actually let us play it for them on his computer. My mother, sister, brother in law, niece and nephew all watched. As soon as it started, my brother in law left the room (which was a tiny computer room, that we would barely all fit inside).

  After the middle of the 2nd song, my sister said, "Ok, that's enough..." and she left. My dad turned it off. We left a copy for them. My mom said it was cute.

  They were not Christmas songs, nor were they songs about the trinity. I don't remember which songs they were, but nothing that shouted "false doctrine," at least not to my limited understanding of the JW's.

  Later, when my sister called me and attempted to explain to me that it was HER decision to protect her children from me (not her husband's). When I presssed her about what apostasy and idolatry we were displaying, she said it was hard to explain to her kids, especially when we FORCED them to sit there and watch my daughter singing in front of a HUGE GLOWING CROSS!

  Wow... It had come to the point, where I didn't even notice that up there, and I did not notice it in the video either.

  Did this church have a big cross up behind the stage, and did it bother you? I admit, it bothered me for awhile, and I was never even a JW. The thing that made us leave that church, was the "watered-down gospel," and some hypocrisy of the preacher.
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  Has anyone used this question on a JW? How might they respond?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i was laying in bed i thought of a question to ask my wife.

  "when the wt has an article on the next change in teaching or new light, just guessing, what do you think it might be?".

  it does not need to be phrased just like that, but i thought it might be a powerful question since it would make the jw subconsciously question all of the current teachings, something they are not taught to do.

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  Neverknew: I got the "but we're the only ones who preach" argument which I countered with the Pentacostal growth.

  The JW's do not have exclusive rights on spreading the gospel of Christ to the ends of the world. They are not the only ones preaching... they are the only ones who make that claim, and repeat it to each other at every meeting.

  One of my close friends is a missionary in Papua New Guinea. Our small church supports missionaries in Brazil, Guatemala, India and other countries, including an outreach to the Jews in Israel.

  The JW's are the only religion that REQUIRES everyone to go door-to-door, whether this is their talent or not. They are not allowed to use the talents given to them, but are supposed to force themselves into a mold that may not fit their personality or skills. They are not the only ones who preach.

  You could also counter with a question about how fruitful their preaching work is. "How many people have been baptized into your congregation, as a result of your preaching work? (not counting born-ins or other family members). In how many years?"

  You will know them by their fruits. Shunning. Child abuse scandals.
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  I went to church today.

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and it was good!!

  everyone dressed differently, some casually, some smart-a real mix.i would say there were 70 or so in attendance, all ages.nice atmosphere.ladies behind introduced themselves.young couple in front also.nice songs.toys for the kids.refreshments after.had a little chat with the lady vicar, she asked if i would come again.i felt welcome but not overwhelmed.jesus focused more predominantly than at the kh.i really enjoyed it..

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  Faithful Witness

  Sounds great! Good for you, giving it a try. What was the music like? Did you enjoy it?
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  New light -----> beliefs clarified

  by fastJehu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt library cd contains a list of "beliefs clarified" from the year 1872 until today.. you can reach this list as follows:.

  - search for beliefs clarified.

  - double click on publications index.

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  Faithful Witness

  Thanks for sharing this ... how brazen can they be?

  Just for fun, I used my dictionary.com app to look up "clarify." Check out definition 1. (I am not insinuating anything about the words of the governing body...)

  Clar´i`fy

  v. t.	1.	To make clear or bright by freeing from feculent matter; to defecate; to fine; - said of liquids, as wine or sirup.
  	2.	To make clear; to free from obscurities; to brighten or illuminate. To clarify his reason, and to rectify his will. - South.
  	3.	To glorify. Fadir, clarifie thi name. - Wyclif (John ii. 28).
  v. i.	1.	To grow or become clear or transparent; to become free from feculent impurities, as wine or other liquid under clarification.
  	2.	To grow clear or bright; to clear up. Whosoever hath his mind fraught with many thoughts, his wits and understanding do clarify and break up in the discoursing with another. - Bacon.